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Nov 9, 2021

Joel Whitebook (Columbia)

Freud: An intellectual biography

The life and work of Sigmund Freud continue to fascinate general and professional readers alike. Joel Whitebook here presents the first major biography of Freud since the last century, taking into account recent developments in psychoanalytic theory and practice, gender studies, philosophy, cultural theory, and more. Offering a radically new portrait of the creator of psychoanalysis, this book explores the man in all his complexity alongside an interpretation of his theories that cuts through the stereotypes that surround him. The development of Freud's thinking is addressed not only in the context of his personal life, but also in that of society and culture at large, while the impact of his thinking on subsequent issues of psychoanalysis, philosophy, and social theory is fully examined. Whitebook demonstrates that declarations of Freud's obsolescence are premature, and, with his clear and engaging style, brings this vivid figure to life in compelling and readable fashion.

About the author

Joel Whitebook is a philosopher and psychoanalyst who was born in Los Angeles in 1947 and raised in a secular and liberal Jewish family. Joel attended the University of California at Berkeley in the late sixties where he majored in philosophy. The Berkeley experience was decisive in shaping his future career in two ways. After he joined the New Left and became more political in his outlook, the brand of analytic philosophy he was being exposed to in the university’s department increasingly appeared too restricted to him. And while he was a student and activist at Berkeley, Joel discovered the tradition of the Frankfurt School, largely through the work of Herbert Marcuse.

Seeking a different approach to the field, Joel became a doctoral student in the philosophy department of The New School For Social Research, where he had the good fortune to study not only with Hannah Arendt, Aron Gurwitsch and Hans Jonas, but also with Albrecht Wellmer, a representative of the second generation of the Frankfurt School. Through his work with Wellmer, Joel’s involvement with Critical Theory and the other thinkers of that tradition deepened significantly. He became particularly interested in the Frankfurt School’s attempt to integrate psychoanalysis into critical social theory. In fact, he adopted that project as his own and has pursued it throughout his career.

After receiving his Ph.D. from the New School in philosophy in 1977, Joel decided to become a practicing psychoanalyst. To this end, he took a second doctorate in clinical psychology at CUNY and received his psychoanalytic training at The New York Freudian Society. Joel hung out his shingle in 1985, and for the next twenty-five years combined a life of private practice and teaching, first at New School, then at Columbia, as well as in a number of clinical settings. He is currently on the faculty of Columbia’s Center for Psychoanalytic Training and Research and is the Director of its Psychoanalytic Studies Program.

In his book Perversion and Utopia and in numerous articles, Joel has sought to continue the Frankfurt School’s attempt to integrate psychoanalysis and Critical Theory in a particular way. Following the lead of Hans Loewald and Cornelius Castoriadis, he has examined the major developments in psychoanalysis since the middle of the last century — often grouped under the notion of “the preoedipal turn” — and attempted to work out their consequences for contemporary psychoanalysis and Critical Theory. He has also used preoedipal theory to explore the problem of “the missing mother” in his recent intellectual biography of Freud.

That he was a member of Slate's discussion group on the Sopranos is one of Joel's proudest credentials. During the second and third seasons of the show, he participated in a weekly roundtable discussion of Tony’s relationship with Dr. Melfi along with three psychoanalytic colleagues.

Review

'This is a brilliant book that combines psychoanalytic thinking and intellectual history to demonstrate that Freud remains central to current debates not only in psychoanalysis, but also in cultural theory, philosophy and gender studies. With his expertise in psychoanalytic theory, Joel Whitebook elucidates the development of Freud’s thinking and presents a radically new way of reading him. He appropriates insights from feminism, pre-Oedipal theory, and clinical experience with non-neurotic patients to transform our picture of the founder of the field. When one focuses on early development, the maternal presence and the repudiation of femininity, Freud no longer appears as another dead white male, but as a vital thinker whose ideas have important consequences for the contemporary world.' Christine Anzieu-Premmereur, Director of the Columbia University Psychoanalytic Center’s Parent-Infant Program, and member of the New York Psychoanalytic Institute and of the Société Psychanalytique de Paris

'Whitebook has written a distinctive kind of intellectual biography, with a rich and complex agenda, which is far from reproducing those already available. He offers a perspective on Freud that incorporates new developments in psychoanalytic thinking and integrates psychoanalysis with broader philosophical trajectories. The result is outstanding: a biography with intellectual force that captivates its reader.' Sebastian Gardner, University College London

'Despite all attempts to bury him, Freud remains the ultimate revenant, haunting the twenty-first century at a time when all the best efforts to outgrow our self-incurred immaturity have come to naught. Drawing on his sustained experience as a practicing psychoanalyst and deep immersion in contemporary theory, Joel Whitebook shows how relevant many of Freud’s ideas remain. By linking critical elements of Freud's thought with crucial aspects of his life - his vexed relationship with his mother, troubled friendships with Fliess and Jung, ambivalent response to war, and ruminations on mortality - he offers a fresh and insightful reading, neither excessively pious nor reductively dismissive, of a thinker we are only beginning to understand and from whom much is still to be learned.' Martin Jay, Sidney Hellman Ehrman Professor of History, University of California, Berkeley

'With the clinical acumen of an analyst and the intellectual rigor of a philosopher, Joel Whitebook gives us a Freud for our disenchanted but perhaps a bit wiser times. Never minimizing the greatness of the thinker or the magnitude of his achievement, Whitebook makes extensive and judicious use of the recent scholarly critiques of the man and his work, as well as of the expanded scope of psychoanalysis that has deepened, augmented, and where necessary corrected Freud’s own inaugural discoveries and formulations, pursuing his inquiry with Freud’s own ideal of the relentless pursuit of the truth. In the resulting brilliant study of the intertwining of the life and the work, we recognize a very human Freud with outsized gifts and equally outsized flaws and limitations, neither idealized nor condemned for his very real but comprehensible weaknesses and blind spots, but understood in the light of analytic neutrality in the best sense.' Robert Paul, Charles Howard Candler Professor of Anthropology and Interdisciplinary Studies, Emory University, Atlanta

'The distinguished psychoanalytic scholar and analyst Joel Whitebook’s lively new intellectual biography of Freud gives us a strikingly plausible view of its subject. With special attention to Freud’s tangled family circumstances in childhood, Whitebook evokes a figure of the 'dark enlightenment,' committed to the ideal of scientific inquiry yet fully aware of the irrationalities, even the pre-oedipal ones, to which the enquiring mind is subject. Whitebook reads this attitude in relation to Freud’s personal and professional 'break with tradition.' He also engages with the feminist critique of Freud by pursuing the theme of 'the missing mother,' the absence of women as protagonists in any of Freud’s key dramas being, in his view, a submerged but haunting presence occasioned by the disappearance or 'psychological death' of his earliest caregivers. This book is well worth promoting to the top of the queue on anyone’s Freud reading list.' Paul Fry, William Lampson Professor of English, Yale University

'Joel Whitebook presents to us an extraordinary new biography of Freud. In contrast to the classical biographies he is in a position to use our current psychoanalytic knowledge on the early development of the child and the early mother-child relationship to show the development of Freud’s personality and his theoretical work in a new light. The missing of the maternal dimension in the unfolding of his ideas was one of the most important consequences of Freud’s early traumatic experiences for his thinking. With his profound psychoanalytic and philosophical knowledge, great empathy and integrative strength Whitebook brilliantly describes the central motifs, the creative ways and also the wrong tracks in the development of Freud’s theoretical thinking, confronting it with critical issues in contemporary psychoanalysis and philosophy … His book is a masterpiece.' Werner Bohleber, author of Destructiveness, Intersubjectivity, and Trauma: The Identity Crisis of Modern Psychoanalysis and editor of Psyche

'Whitebook is fascinating on the historical theme of 'the break with tradition' both in 19th century intellectual life and in Jewish history.' Jane O'Grady, Daily Telegraph

'An elegant foray into the man and his mind … rich and illuminating.' Lisa Appignanesi, The Guardian

'At almost 500 pages and supported with extensive footnotes, the book is a treasure trove for readers who want to better understand one of the most significant and prolific minds of the last 150 years.' Mike Phelps, Simply Charly (www.simplycharly.com)

'… it should be mandatory reading for graduate students in the field of psychiatry.' C. D. Quyn, San Francisco Book Review (www.sanfranciscobookreview.com)

'… strongly argued, well-informed … a sensitive account.' Stephen Frosh, Jewish Chronicle

'The book is a readable, enjoyable and well-documented biography of Freud that summarizes current scholarship, and makes good use of recently published archival materials.' Metapsychology

'This book is more than merely a descriptive path through Freud’s life. More accurately, it is a case study of Freud’s life using the ideas that Freud pioneered. Many sources are traditional and historical, but Whitebook also expertly incorporates recent publications in the area of Freud studies - whose emergence shows no sign of abating.' Choice

'Professor Whitebook is an insightful scholar and a remarkably readable writer and he has skillfully steered his way between the hagiographers and the ‘Freud bashers'. He always has an eye for the telling detail.' The Quarterly Review

''Does the world need another biography of Sigmund Freud?’ Perhaps no longer, for Whitebook has covered an extraordinary amount of territory. What one is left with upon closing the covers of this 'intellectual biography', it should be further noted, is something more than an identification of the sociocultural milieu in question, something more than a drawing out of the interrelation of the life and work of the subject, and something more than a comprehensive investigation into the historical implications of each: one is left, whether or not it was the author’s intention, with an ever deepening sense of compassion for one of the greatest thinkers, founders even, of the modern era.' Lois Oppenheim, Journal of the American Psychoanalytic Association

Book Description

This book presents a radical look at the founder of psychoanalysis in his broader cultural context, addressing critical issues and challenging stereotypes.
 
Podcast transcript
 
August Baker:


Welcome to New Books in Psychoanalysis. I'm August Baker. We're talking today with Dr. Joel Whitebook about his book Freud: An Intellectual Biography. Dr. Whitebook is a philosopher and psychoanalyst who maintained a private practice for 25 years and is on the faculty at Columbia University. Welcome, Dr. Whitebook.

 
Dr. Joel Whitebook:


It's a pleasure to be here.

 
August Baker:


Thank you. I wanted to know to start if there's some more you'd like to say to the listeners about your background, your intellectual orientation, your influences and mentors, things like that that might be helpful for people approaching the book?

 
Dr. Joel Whitebook:


Yes, I think that would be a good idea. My general background has been in critical theory in the tradition of the Frankfurt School. I started out as a philosopher and then, after completing a doctorate in philosophy, became a psychoanalyst. But the type of philosophy that I was oriented towards, or the school that I was trained in, which as I mentioned was a Frankfurt School, was one of the first, if not the first, group of philosophers and social scientists in Europe to take Freud seriously, to teach him at the university.

In fact, they even promoted his receiving the Goethe Prize in Frankfurt, and he was a pillar of their project along with Marx and Hegel and Max Weber. They attempted to formulate a critical theory of modernity by integrating these four major figures. So a main element of their project was the integration of psychoanalysis into a critical theory of society, or you might say a critical theory of modernity. And that's the project which I have tried to pursue and continue to pursue. You could describe my work in recent years as an attempt to update what earlier critical theorists in the Frankfurt School tradition have done in terms of psychoanalysis and critical theory by bringing more recent developments in psychoanalysis to bear on critical theory.

 
August Baker:


I see. Okay. That's very interesting. And what were the four figures? You said Freud, Marx, and who were the other two?

 
Dr. Joel Whitebook:


I would say Marx, Hegel, Freud, and Max Weber.

 
August Baker:


Okay. And I wanted to note also that you say in the beginning of your book that your aim is not here to provide a comprehensive biography. There are many of those. And you say you want to provide a narrative of the relation between Freud's life and his work, which is a very psychoanalytic thing to do, and you want to try to do it without being reductive. And you say you want to do it from the perspective of two particular themes. Could you tell the listeners about those two themes?

 
Dr. Joel Whitebook:


Yes. When I was asked to do the book by Cambridge University Press, it was specifically to be an intellectual biography, which meant that my task was to interpret the development of Freud's thinking against the backdrop of what was going on in his life and in the general culture. So when I say it's not a general biography, what I meant by that more specifically was that it was an intellectual biography. And the two themes which organize my narrative are what I've called the Break With Tradition, which tries to locate Freud in the historical developments of his day and in terms of the theorist who are trying to understand those developments, and then also the second theme was what I call the Missing Mother, which has to do with the fact that the theme of the mother is sorely underdeveloped in Freud's thinking.

 
August Baker:


Okay, that's very helpful. As I read the book, which I really enjoyed, I was thinking, you're looking at his life and his work, and it's not just here's his early childhood and here's his theories. You're also looking at his love life, you might say, his passions and his battle with illness. So you're kind of intertwining his theories and his logic, his theories in his life throughout his life. Is that accurate?

 
Dr. Joel Whitebook:


Yes, and I'd specify it even more. There are two schools of thought when it comes to relating a person's life to their work. One school of thought is what you might call the content, for lack of a better work, and that says that a person's biography shouldn't be taken into consideration in appreciating their work or in evaluating or interpreting their work but that the work should stand in its own right and be approached in its own terms. In other words, you shouldn't try and understand a Mozart symphony or opera in terms of what we know about Mozart's life. And that goes for any great thinker.

And the worry there is reductionism. They want to guard against having a person's work reduced to its genesis and the person's life history. And it often turns into a sort of gossip where you try and uncover the dirty window in a person's life as a way of reducing their work. Now, that's a valid concern, but they go too far in the other extreme and just want to consider the work in its own right without any consideration of its genesis and the development of the person's life. The other issue-

 
August Baker:


Ah, could-

 
Dr. Joel Whitebook:


Yeah, go ahead.

 
August Baker:


No, that's a good point because you are talking about new developments in psychoanalytic theory throughout the book.

 
Dr. Joel Whitebook:


I'll come to that after I make one more point. The other pole, which as I've already indicated, is reductionism, which you found in earlier forms of either vulgar Marxism or vulgar Freudianism, or now you might even say neuroscience, which tries to reduce a person's accomplishments to debunk them in a way by reducing them to some lower level explanation. In vulgar Freudian terms, it would be in terms of their psychosexual life. In vulgar Marxist terms, it would be in terms of their economic situation. And today, you might say in neuropsychological terms, it would be reducing them to their brain chemistry. So, that's the other pole that has... It's the Scylla and the Charybdis, and that's the Charybdis as opposed to the Kantian Scylla, which has to be avoided.

Now, the third position, which I would say is the truly psychoanalytic position and one which Freud himself advocated, is trying to understand the relationship between what is called genesis and validity, how certain things, accomplishments arose out of the conditions of a person's biography but somehow achieve an objective validity of their own, which while being related to those circumstances isn't reducible to them. Of course, he postulated the idea of sublimation as a marker to explain this process whereby genetic material gets turned into valid cultural objects, you might say.

 
August Baker:


Right. I keep thinking about this quotation that you have here. Maybe this is related. You talk about Freud coming to understand the human mind as naturally oriented toward the external world and resisting an attempt to redirect its gaze inward. And you have a quote that he wrote to Albert Einstein. "All our attention is directed to the outside, whence dangers and satisfaction beckon. From the inside, we want only to be left in peace. So if someone tries to turn our awareness inward, then our whole organization resists, just as, for example, the esophagus and the urethra resist any attempt to reverse their normal direction of passage." And you say this observation helps us understand the widespread hostility towards psychoanalysis.

 
Dr. Joel Whitebook:


Yeah, I make several points. First of all, one way I would say, a very interesting way, or actually the way that I would put it, and I take this largely from somebody who deeply influenced me and whom I draw on and mention in the book but who's not that well-known in this country, namely a Greek philosopher and psychoanalyst who lived in Paris for many years named Cornelius Castoriadis, and Castoriadis argued that Freud's project or what we should take from Freud's project is the attempt to understand the relationship between psychic reality and social reality, between the inner world and the social world. And of course, one could argue that Freud's great discovery in the interpretation of the dreams was psychic reality, that we are citizens of two worlds, we live in the world of a psychic reality and we live in the world of social reality, and that the real interesting question and the goal is to try and understand the relationship between the two.

The next point is there are many explanations for why there is such a resistance, indeed a hostility, towards psychoanalysis, going back to the fact that Freud argued or discovered, you might say, infantile sexuality, or that he said that we have innate aggressive drives, which seems to contradict the conventional picture of human beings as being essentially good and sociable, or even going further, that we have a death instinct. I mean, all these help to explain or are good reasons for accounting for the hostility or resistances, analysts say, to psychoanalysis. But in the quote that you read, that points to another resistance which I think is equally powerful and which is only being appreciated more in recent years, which is people's resistance to psychic reality, resistance to the fact that we are determined to a large extent by inner events which we don't have great control over, or as Freud put it, "The ego is not master in his own house."

And one of the difficulties in clinical work and helping somebody to get involved in a psychoanalytic process is helping them to accept the fact that there is this powerful psychic reality and that one is better off dealing with it than leaving it alone. I mean, all too often patients, people in treatment would much rather attribute their problems to the external world, to society, to their spouses, to their bosses, what have you. For some reason, it seems to be a fact that it's easier to attribute things to the external world than to look within.

And one final point, I think today, when we live in a world where we are constantly distracted by screens, everywhere you go, you to your doctor's office, there's a television, you go to the train stations, there are televisions, even now when you go to a gas station, they have these little screens while you're filling your tank, and all I have to is walk down the street and everybody's got their nose buried in a phone, and today we are bombarded by so much external stimuli that it makes the task of turning inward even that much more difficult. There are innumerable reasons for the decline of psychoanalysis in today's culture, but I would say this is perhaps a more recent one but one of the very powerful ones.

 
August Baker:


That's a very powerful point. Maybe could you give a quick overview of Frankfurt School? Because when I hear you saying that we're going to be combining Freud and Marx, I'm thinking of that as Freud being more the internal and Marx more the external.

 
Dr. Joel Whitebook:


Well, one way to understand that, I mean, they were a group of German Jewish philosophers and social scientists who started out in the '20s but really consolidated in the '30s at the Institute for Social Research in Frankfurt. And while they were generally Marxist in their orientation, they were never dogmatic and they were always anti-Stalinists. But when in the '30s, one had an economic crisis, the Great Depression, which according to Marxist predictions should have produced a socialist revolution, it in fact produced just the opposite, namely a large part of the European working class was turning to fascism. And this was a anomaly, to put it mildly, that any Marxist had to confront. And methodologically, the critical theorist in the Frankfurt School concluded that the problem was that Marxism didn't study the subjective dimension. In other words, consciousness, subjectivity was basically reduced to material conditions.

So in order to explain the fact that the working class hadn't fulfilled this historical mission but on the contrary had done just the opposite they concluded, A, that Marxian theory had to be augmented by psychology and that Freudian depth psychology was the best to do it, and that they could deploy Freudian categories to try and explain why this had occurred. And under the directorship of Max Horkheimer, they produced a series of volumes called Authority and the Family, which tried to explain the makeup of the German working class in terms of their peculiar family relations and how this gave rise to an authoritarian character or sensibility.

 
August Baker:


Oh, that's helpful. Thank you. And then, as I understand, your project would be to take some of the more recent developments in psychoanalysis and build them in. And as I understand it, much of that is under the label of pre-Oedipal as opposed to Oedipal, or what you call the Missing Mother. Is that correct?

 
Dr. Joel Whitebook:


Yes. One could argue that the most significant development after Freud's death, which, as they say in psychoanalysis, is the second world, is the so-called pre-Oedipal term, which is the turn towards understanding the first three years of life and the infant child relationship. I mean, my thesis in the book is that Freud was basically a theorist of what he called the father complex. When you read his case studies one after another, it's always a polemic for the importance of the father complex, the Oedipus complex. He referred to the Oedipus complex as the "nuclear complex of the neurosis." He, in his cultural writings, most notably in Totem and Taboo and Moses and Monotheism, he explained the origins of religion in terms of the Oedipus complex.

So when the Frankfurt School, not only the Frankfurt School but most psychoanalytically oriented social theorists prior to the '60s, say, and there are a few exceptions, adopted Freudian theory to explain social phenomena, they basically employed his Oedipal theory, his theory of the father complex. So that after the Second World War, and we could discuss the reasons for this, there was an intense interest in the early mother infant relationship developed. And a number of the most important psychoanalysts after the war, and I would say Donald Winnicott is the most important here, started exploring the first three years of life, the early separation-individuation process. Then that was followed by infant research and attachment theory. So the great augmentation of psychoanalytic theory has been the addition of pre-Oedipal theory to Oedipal theory. So when I am trying to expand and continue the project of the Frankfurt School, which as I said is to try and integrate critical theory and psychoanalysis, what I have tried to do is to examine how we would rethink some of the central problems using pre-Oedipal rather than Oedipal theory.

 
August Baker:


Interesting. That makes it very clear. And I guess to help understand it, could you help explain how treatment and psychoanalytic treatment proceeds for a classical patient, one that is seen as an Oedipus complex versus a unclassical one with pre-Oedipal issues?

 
Dr. Joel Whitebook:


Perhaps Winnicott put it best. He said Freud basically not ignored but radically didn't pay sufficient attention to the first three years of life. That is the years of life when separation-individuation takes place until what's called a unit self is formed, the consolidation of self, which takes place in the third or fourth year. So, Freud assumed the existence of the unit self, which had an interior structure, which he said was made up of the id, ego, and super-ego, and that this person interacted with other unit selves and suffered from what were called intrapsychic conflicts, that is conflicts that occurred within a self that was already unified and formed. And his approach to psychoanalysis, his clinical technique, his understanding of the psychoanalytic setting was all predicated on the idea that he was a unit self and he was dealing with other unit selves and that the analysis involved the interaction between these unit selves.

What this meant in practice was that, I mean, and this is how he described what was referred to as the classical patient or the good neurotic, and in practice, what this meant was that these people were basically able to make use of the psychoanalytic setup, or what's called the psychoanalytic frame, and be able to abide by the structure of psychoanalysis and come so many times a week and free associate and accept interpretations and would be helped in terms of interpretation. Now, whether or not this classical patient ever existed is a disputed issue, but we won't get into that. One of the things that led to the pre-Oedipal turn after the war, and this was especially true in London, but also in the States, that analysts were seeing more and more patients couldn't be reached with a classical method. Not only couldn't be helped by it, but often couldn't be reached by it. They, you might say, couldn't accept the rules of the game that were necessary to involve oneself in psychoanalysis.

So in order to understand this, the new patient, the post-classical patient, the non-neurotic patient, however you want to call it, analysts began examining pathology, which stems from the earlier phases of life, relationship to the early mother, the separation-individuation process, as I said, the formation of a stable unit self, which meant that those issues themselves became the topic of psychoanalytic interventions, were called pathologies of the self. And in addition to, or before, I mean, there's difference of opinions about this and it varies from case to case, before dealing with Oedipal issues having to do with later stages of development, it's necessary to address issues with a patient that stem from these early forms of what's self-pathology or what's sometimes referred to as narcissistic pathology.

 
August Baker:


I thought this probably relates. You say, "When these people," meaning unclassical patients, "are able to articulate their experience, they provide us," and you're referring to Loewald, "Loewald maintains, 'With insight into the psychotic core of the personality, which is rarely accessible in higher functioning individuals, though it is present in all of us.'" Maybe that's what you meant by whether there ever was a classical patient. Could you speak to this psychotic core?

 
Dr. Joel Whitebook:


Well, I mean, this is also somewhat a matter of contention, but if you assume as I do, and as Loewald does, by the way, he's, I would say, one of the most important theorists after Freud, and one who has influenced me enormously, that we begin life in some sort of undifferentiated or symbiotic stage or a merger with the mother and the development consists in moving away from, differentiating oneself away from that originally undifferentiated stage, then, well, if you take that line of analysis and you also believe that earlier stages of development aren't just eradicated but somehow stay active in the psyche, are somehow sedimented in psychic life, then you can assume that residues of that undifferentiated stage, what he calls a psychotic core, psychotic meaning because it's a merged state, the psychotic core exist in all of us, just in patients who are able to, for whatever developmental reasons, achieve a higher degree of individuation and a more firmly structured and stable self, that core is further buried.

But in patients, the post-classical patients I've been mentioning, that stage remains less well buried and is more accessible and is encountered more easily than it is... The neurotic patient, the so-called high-functioning patient in some way doesn't have access or it's more difficult for them to gain access to the more archaic parts of the personality having to do with this psychotic core. So that when we deal with the less high-functioning patients, I want to use terms that are non-judgmental here, non-stigmatizing, so that when we deal with the less high-functioning patients, we often gain insight into deeper levels of the psyche that aren't accessible with the higher functioning patients, and as Loewald says, and Winnicott, well, actually, he took this from Winnicott, believe they have a lot to teach us about what Winnicott said, "What life is all about."

 
August Baker:


And Freud, of course, would be a very high-functioning patient who may not have had so much access. Well, he didn't go through an analysis either.

 
Dr. Joel Whitebook:


Received interpretation of Freud, which he himself promulgated, and which analysts believed for many years, was that he was a high-functioning, neurotic patient who hadn't suffered any early traumas and that he was very well put together. But what research into his early life in Freiberg by historians and by academics and Freud studies has revealed in recent years, and this is one of the points of departure of my narrative, is that in fact his first three years in Freiberg and his relation to his mother was really quite traumatic and that this presentation of himself as this high-functioning, rational, well-integrated "normal" masculine person was in many ways defensive.

And what he had done was actually split off and repress the earlier stages in his own life and the psychic phenomena that are attached to them because he had denied this part of himself. Because he had dissociated himself from his earlier years and his more primitive experience, he wasn't able to see it in his patients and incorporate it in his theory. And that's why I have the thesis of the Missing Mother. And part of what I attempted to do was to trace the ramifications of this throughout the history of his theory.

 
August Baker:


That's very helpful. Yes. And I think another bit of new research is now the letters that Freud wrote to Wilhelm Fliess, right? Those were-

 
Dr. Joel Whitebook:


Letters between both of them.

 
August Baker:


They were only available in 2011. So, that's another piece of something that was hid that also you make a great use of here. We don't have a lot of time, but do you want to talk about, I mean, there's just so much to talk about, some of the early trauma that has been revealed?

 
Dr. Joel Whitebook:


Well, before doing that, if we could do both, I'll try and be quick. I mean, I'd like to say something about the Fliess letters.

 
August Baker:


Yes.

 
Dr. Joel Whitebook:


The Freud establishment, which was made up of Heinz Hartmann and Ernst Kris and Anna Freud, believe that in order to protect Freud's reputation and the fragile reputation of psychoanalysis, they had to suppress some of the more controversial material in his life. So when the Fliess letters were first discovered in the '50s, a very censored expurgated edition of them was brought out by Anna Freud and Ernst Kris, and that was sort of the official view that was followed until Anna Freud died in the '80s and Jeffrey Masson brought out a complete un-expurgated version. And by the way, the letters are fantastic. They are almost, I would say, a piece of literature, and they offer you an unprecedented view into the inner workings of a man's mind and his struggle to understand himself.

And also, you see what a compassionate and thoroughly human person he was. It's not just Freud, works and all, it's Freud in all his humanity. And the Freud establishment in some way, one, thought they had to deny his humanity. And my experience was in reading them and seeing him in all his vulnerability, rather than turning me off to him, it made me appreciate him much more. But once you had the Fliess letters where he gave some hints about what had actually gone on in his first three years in Freiberg, this led to research into those years which uncovered how problematic and traumatic his relationship to his mother had been.

 
August Baker:


Right. And of course, the Fliess letters also refer to... There's some homosexual or homoerotic excitement there. You have this quote where Freud is anticipating an upcoming Congress, and he wrote to Fliess, "I bring nothing but two open ears and one temporal lobe, lubricated for reception." I don't know if you've read the biography of Kohut by Strozier, but the way the psychoanalytic establishment frowned on homosexuality or needed to distance itself from homosexuality is a big part of the story, at least in the US.

 
Dr. Joel Whitebook:


Well, I think it's a big part of the story of the way the Freud establishment tried to control the publication of these things. I mean, I quote a feminist theorist, I think her name was Garner, I don't remember, who said, when she first read the Fliess letters, she said it occurred to her that these were love letters.

 
August Baker:


Right.

 
Dr. Joel Whitebook:


And although we have no evidence that it was ever enacted and completed sexually, he was passionately in love with this man. And the homosexual love not just can't be denied, like the passage you just quoted, I mean, it's there to be observed, as is the extent of his cocaine usage. Jones said before, I think in the late 1880s, but in fact it went on to 1896. So they felt like they had to bury these facts in order to preserve his reputation. And in addition to the pre-Oedipal turn in psychoanalysis, I think the fact that the culture has become much more tolerant towards homosexuality and the analytic world has made a valiant attempt to make amends for the past and revise its views on homosexuality, it makes it much more possible for us to view his homosexual dimension of his relationship to Fliess, as well as to Jung, to view it in a much more neutral way.

 
August Baker:


Right. I thought it was really convincing to me as an outline of him, first Freud first falling in love at 16, and then, tell me, and correct me if I'm wrong, being kind of overwhelmed by that, turning to work, then falling in love with Martha, and then having the passion of a love affair, which is separated by distance and put into writing. And then once he gets married and Martha becomes the mother at home, there's kind of like, well, where does all of this energy go? And then Wilhelm Fliess was there, and it went right there. Correct me if I'm wrong, that's the overview I got from your book.

 
Dr. Joel Whitebook:


Yes. And there's one more point to it, that it's often been said that Freud was an epistolary lover. He was separated from Martha for six or seven years during their so-called betrothal, their engagement. Martha's mother didn't particularly like Sigmund, and she grabbed her daughter out of Vienna and dragged her to Hamburg so she'd be away from him. So for the greater part of their engagement, he didn't see her that much. And this love affair took place to a large degree in his fantasy life, which was recorded in these wonderful letters, all of which have been recently published. So he was able to maintain this passionate and idealized love as long as the real object wasn't there. And then when he finally had to move in with her and see her doing the dishes, or I guess they didn't do dishes-

 
August Baker:


Exactly.

 
Dr. Joel Whitebook:


... I guess they didn't do dishes in those days, or whatever, it sort of collapsed, and then all of that passion was redirected towards Fliess. But again, Fliess lived in Berlin. He didn't see him that often, and he carried on largely an epistolary love affair with Fliess.

 
August Baker:


Yeah, it's fascinating.

 
Dr. Joel Whitebook:


I mean, one of the hardest tasks for all of us, and one of the tasks in most therapies and analyses is learning to give up our idealized fantasies and our narcissistic self-protection and love a real human being with all their flaws and who won't conform to our wishes.

 
August Baker:


One point you talk about transference and you say that it's often questioned what Freud's fundamental discovery was, and is it the meaning of dreams, the existence of psychic reality, free association, or even the psychoanalytic setup itself? The question is impossible to answer. But you also talk about transference and the way it's enacted both inside and outside of the psychoanalytic setting, and that is a prime candidate for his fundamental discovery. I wondered if you could talk about his relationship with Wilhelm Fliess as a transference drama and as having both an Oedipal and a pre-Oedipal level. I think you said in the pre-Oedipal stratum Fliess was in the role of a breast mother that he wanted to surrender to, and on the Oedipal level, Freud was in what he considered a passive homosexual attitude.

 
Dr. Joel Whitebook:


Yeah. First of all, people tend to think of transference as just one thing, but transferences assume many forms deriving from all layers of psychic life and stages of development. And with Fliess, I mean, I don't remember who it was, somebody observed... Fliess actually became his doctor and started intervening on him, operating on his nose and cauterizing it. We're not exactly sure what he did, but he did operate on him. So I think we all know from our experience as little children that one develops these powerful transferences to their doctors. I mean, they're seen as these very powerful figures, these authority figures, these magicians who carry the magic of curing you. So the fact-

 
August Baker:


Especially surgeons.

 
Dr. Joel Whitebook:


Especially surgeons. Yeah. So the fact that Fliess became his doctor meant that Fliess was open to all the transferences that are associated with the figure of the father doctor, and which meant he was an authority figure. He had all this magical knowledge. He addresses one letter to him, "Dear Magician," and the sort of passive homosexual mode. I mean, that's Freud's term for him. For him, male homosexuality was the passive feminine role or the passive homosexual role. I mean, as you said, as the surgeon, what actually penetrated his body, Freud's homosexual desires to be penetrated by him were activated. But in so far as he thought Fliess as the medicine man, the witch doctor, the magician, the shaman, contained all these magical powers, he was object of a maternal transference where the fantasy is the mother has all this wonderful warm milk that can alleviate all my discomfort and suffering.

 
August Baker:


I guess that pre-Oedipal transference is the one that would be more difficult for Freud to verbalize or to get at.

 
Dr. Joel Whitebook:


Yeah, yeah. I mean, one of the last things Freud said, I mean, this is the way I almost end the book, he says that there is a limit to how far a man can go in psychoanalysis because to put himself on the couch and put himself in a passive position to an analyst, a male or female, men, because of their fear of their passive homosexual female wishes can never allow themself to really give themselves over to analysis. And he called this the biological bedrock, which constituted the limit to how far an analysis could go.

Now, my point is, because of his own discomfort with his own passive feminine wishes, Freud couldn't explore them sufficiently. So rather than saying, "This fear of passivity is bedrock," what he should have done, and what we're trying to do today, is to analyze that fear of passivity and to understand where it arises in male development and partly in man's relationship to his separating from his mother.

 
August Baker:


Right. It wasn't a biological bedrock, it was his own personal bedrock, which may have been shared by a lot of other people and can be related to all the trauma in his early childhood.

 
Dr. Joel Whitebook:


Right. By saying it's bedrock, what you do is you arrest curiosity, you arrest exploration. It, like everything else, should have been a topic for psychoanalytic exploration. He couldn't get curious about his own rejection of the passive female position. He couldn't get curious enough.

 
August Baker:


I understand that. There's so much I want cover, and we're running out of time, but I wondered, another thing that you get into is his illness and this terrible illness and the amount of pain he went through and his confronting death, and I was really taken by your description of his grandson's game, the Fort/Da game, which I had never really seen the significance of, I wondered if you could tell our listeners about that?

 
Dr. Joel Whitebook:


Well, he observed his grandson playing this game over and over again where he would have a spool of yarn and throw it and then retrieve it, and he would yell, "Fort," when he threw it. And then when he'd pull it back in, he would say, "Da." So there, here. And the boy had a very good relationship with his mother, and he actually handled his separations from her very well and would play this game when she was gone. And Freud, as well as his mother, became very curious about the meaning of it. And what Freud came to conclude or to hypothesize was that in this game, the child was reenacting and overcoming the separation.

 
August Baker:


Symbolically.

 
Dr. Joel Whitebook:


So to Freud, the spool was a separation, and the bringing it back in was mastering it. And this was the key to something that he saw as a fundamental mechanism in psychic life and in culture. By doing this, he was not just mastering it, but he was mastering it by symbolizing it and acting it.

 
August Baker:


Yes. Freud calls his grandson's "great cultural achievement."

 
Dr. Joel Whitebook:


Great cultural achievement. Because, I mean, one of the great facts of the human condition that we all have to face, and one of the great tasks is how we are going to deal with all of the inevitable separations and losses that we have to experience in life.

 
August Baker:


Right, right.

 
Dr. Joel Whitebook:


And Freud's answer is that the way we learn to deal with them and the way we make them tolerable is through symbolic activity, by symbolizing them. So, that's-

 
August Baker:


And play.

 
Dr. Joel Whitebook:


Yeah, play. Yeah. Winnicott went on to say by play. I mean, there's intimate connection between symbol play and symbolization. And by doing this, we not only learn to tolerate separation and loss, but we also create meaning out of it. I mean, symbolizing loss is the source of meaning for Freud.

 
August Baker:


Right. That's fascinating. That's just one nugget. There are so many others. I wish I could talk to you about more, but we are at the end of our 50 minute hour.

 
Dr. Joel Whitebook:


As we analysts say, "Time's up."

 
August Baker:


Which is terribly traumatic for a pre-Oedipal patient. But I really appreciate you taking the time to talk with me. I really enjoyed the book. And thank you for appearing on New Books in Psychoanalysis.

 
Dr. Joel Whitebook:


Yeah. I also want to thank you for asking very insightful questions-

 
August Baker:


Oh, I appreciate that.

 
Dr. Joel Whitebook:


... and facilitating the discussion.

 
August Baker:


Thank you.